ARTC - You wont get rid of us. We'll never go

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by carmen
17/04/2009

South Sydney Freight Line what a nightmare!!!

ARTC is expecting for us to quit the fight and go away. That will never happend. And it will never happend just because it is immoral what these people are doing to some of Casula residents. They have the permission by the government (in a form of a contract with a huge loop hole), so they are bullying us. They are not obliged to built noise barriers in those areas which the noise is not higher than 2dBa to the actual noise. Casula is already (believe it or not) in 95dBa and in some areas even 100dBa. W.H.O. says that anything above 55dBa is a very serious health issue, but these people just DON'T CARE. Worse part is that Federal MP, State MP and Liverpool Council they are just passing the hot patato to each other and after 3 years of fight...NOTHING HAS HAPPEND. Construction starts in July and there is no noise barriers to aliviate the situation to people that live just 10m away. So whose to blame?..well I think that the problem comes in the moment where there is no opposition to what ever decision a government makes. See, we are with Federal, State and Council LABOUR PARTY so.. they do what they want, to whom they want and when they want, with no one to oppose or discuss any decision or contract they sign. Barriers for this project are going to be built everywhere, even in the Power House musseum where nobdy sleeps at night. The contract allows ARTC to safe $4Mil with us. What an archivement Project Manager!!Congratulation


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carmen posts

Sorry, correction....the noise has to be ABOVE 2dBa to get the barriers.

sireen posts

I agree with the above comments- this a act against human rights. The labour party, federal,state,council -ALL OF THE PEOPLE WE HAVE LOOKED TO FOR HELP- should be ashamed of them selves for leaving the community with deadly noise levels over 95dBa. I am disgusted that the men and women who we voted in to lead us have done nothing to support the community of liverpool/casula.It is CRIMINAL.The Freight line is going to create 24/7 noise at 95dBa,ALL OF LIVERPOOL & CASULA WILL NOT VOTE LABOUR AGAIN

carmen posts

By the way.....do you know that ARTC is a government body, treated as a private company with shareholders, profits etc...but this is the question....who are the shareholders????? ahhh??? it would be very interesting if estreetcorner investigates....

sireen posts

Further more i would also like to add that meetings and sympathy do not build noise barriers, there needs to be deliberate ACTION and a joint decision from federal and state government to work together to do what is right..why do they keep passing the problem around? NOT ONE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO PART WITH MONEY. State and Federal will be liable when there is a class action against them as this community is sick, sleep deprived and near deaf..

Alan posts

The trouble is Minister Anthony Albanese is a shareholder in the project and is going to reap benefits and huge profits in the future. Hence you are getting noise barriers to protect from excess noise levels in your area because it is cutting into their profits. Is this a conflict of Interest -That the approval (for project) and ultimate shareholder (thus profits) is one and the same??? ABSOLUTELY THIS IS CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

Alan posts

The trouble is Minister Anthony Albanese is a shareholder in the project and is going to reap benefits and huge profits in the future. Hence you are NOT getting noise barriers to protect from excess noise levels in your area because it is cutting into their profits. Is this a conflict of Interest -That the approval (for project) and ultimate shareholder (thus profits) is one and the same??? ABSOLUTELY THIS IS CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

carmen posts

Alan, I knew that something wasn't right!!!......I think that we might need to contact the ombusman.

Alan posts

This is a clear case of cheating the community it is CONFLICT OF INTEREST- how can the person giving approval for project and ultimate shareholder thus person reaping profit- be one and the same???

DaraB posts

That is fn fantastic Mr Albanese Shareholder!!!!!! I heard there are 2 some-one else is a shareholder also... Anyone know who else is... I dont get it... Why then cant our Chris Hayes appeal to his fellow friends/co-workers and say hey give these people noise barriers your going to reap dividends anyway... I cannot believe this. What country is this China!! Disgraceful

carmen posts

Dara, nowonder we were not getting anywhere!!! this is a bloody worry.... we need to get the name of the other two shareholders so we can get legal advice on what to do.

DaraB posts

I am at a loss now... This is unbelievable. I dont even know what our next step should be after this bomb. Thanks Alan. Are you sure of your sources. I have heard similar but I never knew who it actually was I think its even on the ARTC website... I havent been on there for a while but by the time this goes around they will most probably edit it like they do everything else.

Alan, I've heard the same about two Mps being shareholders in this 300mil freight project. It's pure greed. Think of all the profit they will make in the years to come from the freight contractors. Wow! Millions It's disgusting and appalling that the Casula residents health will suffer even more by denying them the 4mil sound barriers. What is 4mil in the scheme of the long term profits to be made by these Ministers. It's pittance! Is Mp Lindsay Tanner the other shareholder Alan?

stefant posts

You have to be kidding, Mr Anthony Albanese,Minister for Infrastructure,Transport,Regional Development and Local Government, is a shareholder in ARTC. This is making sense,he is able to approve the SSFL BUT at the expense of quality of life for residents in Casula/Liverpool Links. I can see why the ARTC board is so confident even with the 95db we are experiencing, well above the recommended 80db by DECC, and not having to fix this problem. It is a matter of PROFITS before people health

DaraB posts

This is unbelievable.... Isnt Lindsay finance Minister. Is she federal or state??? I am still spinning about Albanese.. He signed off on the project. Its all starting to gel no wander DECC rushed thru some guidelines the yr later taking away existing noise. They all knew way ahead. Planning Department DECC so everything got rushed thru hence all the holes we found. But on top Ministers shareholders so they KNOW ARTC stand to make a huge profit from this project. Oh my goodness. How it all unrave

stefant posts

ARTC made a NET Revenue of $609 million in 2007/2008, on Decmeber 12th 2008 Kevin Rudd announced he is to "inject $1.2 billion in new funds into the Australian Rail Track Corporation". With all this money & future profits we are told that they WILL NOT install noise mitigation in the Liverpool/Casula Links Estate unless instructed to by the Government. Who ironically is the 2 shareholders of ARTC, the Minister of Transport & the Minister of Finance,hence themselves.Conflict of Interest or what?

ARTC made a NET Revenue of $609 million in 2007/2008, on Decmeber 12th 2008 Kevin Rudd announced he is to "inject $1.2 billion in new funds into the Australian Rail Track Corporation". With all this money & future profits we are told that they WILL NOT install noise mitigation in the Liverpool/Casula Links Estate unless instructed to by the Government. Who ironically is the 2 shareholders of ARTC, the Minister of Transport & the Minister of Finance,hence themselves.Conflict of Interest or what?

DaraB posts

Can you believe that we have to fight so hard for something that should be provided by our gov. without thought. How long have we been fighting for now? Same situation with the M5 overbridge Its liverpool its a safe seat. We can neglect them. Mind you they had documentation stating noise will increase in both cases.Its time Liverpool made a change. This is beyond ridiculous. Liverpudlians by word of mouth spread the word. Its time to tell friends community groups, church, neighbors quit Labor

JudiS posts

If Kevin Rudd is 'injecting $1.2 billion into ARTC' maybe we should be asking him for our noise barriers, as they clearly can afford it. Nobody at ARTC will listen to us, in fact they just treat us with contempt, our local members Hayes and McDonald, listen but so far we have have little action. We need someone with the balls to stand up and deliver us natural justice and we need it before JULY when construction is due to start in earnest.

Who am I? I am a company. My operations generate noise. Noise levels that greatly exceed government guidelines. I am free-loader. Why? Because I find another company who makes even more noise than I do. Then I build my new facility next to them. Lucky me! Now the government lets me get away with making noise just a little bit lower than my neighbour. I have managed to wriggle my way out of any responsibility thanks to the generous government approval conditions. Who am I? ARTC, of course!

DaraB posts

Judi I understand exactly that. I walked out of a meeting today basically to tears because of pure frustration. Two weeks ago I had a car accident if I drove faster I would have caused bodily harm to the driver and passenger. Why because I get woken up by trucks off the M5 freeway and I knew that I was tired at the time but I had to pick up my kids. It looks like one needs to kill some-one for something to be done in this area. But as I said at this meeting I will hold everyone accountable next

DaraB posts

time I am in a similar predicamentbecause everyone sits back and are either egomaniacs or incompetent. My husband has ripped RTA to part does our council support. NO of course not. They sat with a document that stated house prices will go down in the Links estate as a result of the M5 noise and the MPs of the time and council sat and DID NOTHING. Heres a chance for new council MPs to be proactive and only to date Peter Harle is the most proactive. Everyone is reactive or sitting having coffee

Their is a special report in the weekend Australian which includes stories on various Infrastrucure ventures that amount to billions of dollars and am at a loss why some sort of committment is not given to the residents about addressing the sound barrier situation.This continual round of meetings dont seem to be getting anywhere .A update to the residents should be given to them to allay their fears for their future.Too much is at stake John Anderson 98258709 mob.0409368603

sireen posts

People of liverpool/Casula we need to keep pursuing our legal options and litigation options - it is disgusting that we are living with noise levels of over 95dba NOW- It is scarey to think what noise levels will be in the coming years??? The council, the mayor of liverpool, MPS, Ministers etc are sitting around watching people suffer they are all talk no action! I think that we need to contact the ombusman ASAP..re Mr Albanese is a shareholder in the ARTC, I knew some thing wasnt right...

DaraB posts

I got to give credit where it is deserved. With my M5 issue Chris Hayes took it upon himself to inform Andrew McDonald.That was unexpected and Phil Tolhurst called up today in support which is a nice relief.Its frustrating when your speaking & no-one is listening or they dont even allow you to speak as was the case last weekend. Yet they do not know the full circumstances behind your frustration.I wonder if they nearly hurt some-one in a car accident due to lack of sleep from constantly being

DaraB posts

awoken by trucks and finding reports that state this strip will be very noisy in a couple of yrs and seeing Noise barriers all over the Highways yet not in this particular area. Lobbying for yrs to no avail inturn accident.Plus having new issues arise such as the freight line in the same area. I wonder if this particular gentlemen would behave in such a smug way? Chairing meetings requires certain skills and not bully tactics people should be aware of that next time they choose a chairperson.

Bill Cashman posts

Just to be clear, Dara - that wasn't our Greens meeting you're referring to - as I'm sure you've seen we're quite the opposite, we love everyone having their say :)

sireen posts

I contacted Chris Hayes office yesterday to ask why has the Petition he promised to prepare in 1 week, taken over 8 weeks to prepare, all I got was a rude response from this staff saying we are not the only important issue in the area! I was ropeable- this may not be the only issue in the area but it should be a high priority issue for our MPS.They are not doing enough for the people of Liverpool/Casula. What are they waiting for? Noise levels already 95-100db- LITIGATION,lITIGATION,LITIGATION!!

stefant posts

It seems it is time to seek legal advice,the Federal and State Labor party has alot of sympathy for the residents of Casula/Liverpool Links but will not implement any action.With ARTC having TWO main shareholders,the Minister of Transport & Minister of Finance, it can be seen that PROFITS far outway the quality of life of hardworking Australians.We are the casualties of the Labor Railroad.Let it be known that Labors safe seat in Liverpool will no longer be.Liverpool residents have had enough

DaraB posts

Your so funny Bill... Actually my god chalk and cheese. You really do well steering the topics considering one of your Greens members I say affectionately could talk and talk and talk about a particular issue. THe person that usually chairs the other meeting does well to. But honestly for future reference concerning meetings people should not chop and change chairmans it requires a skill and not one with an iron fist and dictating. ARTC chairman was the same ARTC personel were embarressed by him

DaraB posts

That is really ashame that you got a rude response. Yes they are sick of us but it is everybodies god given duty to hold our Mps council accountable. THat is their role to represent our community. Even with the tough issues. If they cannot handle the tough stuff they should not hold those positions. Liverpool has been asleep due to administration but there is an awakening out of that coma. And the Links estate as well as Hoxton Park and other areas is portraying that. All we are doing is fixing

DaraB posts

our backyards. We should be admired instead of being demonised after all if every little community worked as hard as we do to fix their area with support of MPs and Council imagine what a place this could be. Its embaressing that Campbelltown surpasses Liverpool now.

In my opinion we should be concentrating on getting the DECC to do their statutory oblIgations.SURELY THE decc have a role to play in the noise barriers for the artc line and m5 noise .I received a reply from MR.gARRETTS OFFICE AND THEY WERE TRYING TO SAY THAT ANY NOISE IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF RAILCORP.It is only when these organisations do the job they were set up for will we get a resolution to this matter.Pettions are alright and might further the cause but it requires diligence by all dept

DaraB posts

ARTC are proposing to FLOOD the Links estate with lights at 3am in the morning. They are not called flood lights for no reason. How disgusting!!! This is like having a football game played at 3am but the lights are directly in your windows on top you have 50 ton cranes next to you!!! I am disgusted in the Labor Government that they cannot control their buddies in the ARTC for the Nation!!! How dare you be patronising when one of these residents fall ill this will be bigger than James Hardy!!!

sireen posts

This community will not go away. To the MPS, Mayor and councillors who promised us noise barriers if its "the last thing they do" where are our noise barriers? You will be judged on your efforts come the next election. Take action and stop saying you understand while you do NOTHING! Both state and Federal MPS need to work together to get the funding they promised. The greater Liverpool is now aware of this issue and there are more voters on the line.Do the right thing today not tomorrow!

sireen posts

How nice that Mr Rudd was in Liverpool to add further salt to the wounds in the Links estate backyard. Why is it on two occasions (Mr Albanese appearance at the Whitlam centre)our council had failed to inform the community that these people will be in town? In other papers we hear prior to the event that Representatives will be visiting. Yet our council keeps it hush hush. Yes we just may have protested but having met us and the way we conducted ourselves at the meeting of the MPs at Birkdale

sireen posts

Continued- Cres we are not barbaric. This was the perfect opportunity to show how one supports the community yet you were submissive. MP McDonald Mp Chris Hayes,Mayor Wendy Waller we will not be played!!! Quit playing us as puppets. You all saw how this entire situation is just WRONG. People should not be living with 95 decibels. How can you all go to sleep at night knowing what is happening - its wrong and you have all openly admitted it.I challenge you all to step up, do the right thing!

sireen posts

The greater liverpool will never vote labour again, many of us are of ethnic backgrounds and believe me our communities, all over this electete are aware of the lack of interest this government has shown towards us! Shame on you all for abondoning this community when it needs you. 95dba - noise levels over the WHO and still our MPS play nice with their Federal mates at the ARTC, while at the same time acknowledging there is a problem! Ironey?? I think so!

sireen posts

The greater Liverpool will never vote labour again!!! Many of us are of ethnic backgrounds and believe me our communities, all over this electorate are aware of the lack of interest this government has shown towards us! Shame on you all for abandoning this community when it needs you. 95dba - noise levels over the WHO and still our MPS play nice with their Federal mater at the ARTC while at the same time acknowledging there is a problem! Irony?? I think so!

JudiS posts

Well, the work on the new track has begun, earlier than we expected. The noise of the huge earth moving vehicles as they gouge the earth to build an access road is just the start. It appears our local mayor and council have abandoned us. Both our Prime Minister and Mr Albanese have visited this area in the last week but we were not given the opportunity to put our case to them. Did our Mayor Wendy Waller mention it to them, I THINK NOT. Who is going to support us???

DaraB posts

I honestly dont care anymore because we have perked the interest of Lawyers. Finally.... Pro Bono. FINALLY !!!

FREE hotel accommodation for residents impacted by ARTC construction noise and lights! What irony! What about mitigating the future 24/7 noise that freight trains using ARTC's new infrastructure will generate? It is this noise that will be well above the recommended health guidelines. Peak-hour quiet zone gone, more freight trains carrying longer loads. This is the real problem that needs to be fixed.

Close your blind's put the tele on and don't take notice. Simple? Get out your house more, you won't notice a change when this happens, I am a full supporter of the ARTC SSFL , they might be puting an extra track in for more train's etc etc, but look what they are doing for our communities, finally those long awaited renovation for our train stations

DaraB posts

We support what they are doing in terms of infrastructure. But we have got A BRAIN. We are getting our noise barriers whether you like it or not. ARTC is legally oblidged to put them in but you wouldnt know that would you

We support what they are doing in terms of infrastructure. But we have got A BRAIN. We are getting our noise barriers whether you like it or not. ARTC is legally oblidged to put them in but you wouldnt know that would you

sireen posts

To the above comment from Casula resident, stating close blinds, put tele on etc. Why don’t you reveal who you really are?? You are not a Casula resident, all the residents in this community want noise barriers hence the 1500 signatures we received for our petition to parliament. We support the project in terms of infrastructure but not in terms of noise levels over 95dba. ARTC are legally obliged to put noise barriers. However,you can have trees as you don’t live on the line and you know it!

carmen posts

Casula Resident,how much money has ARTC paid you for interfering in our fight???? you should be ashame of what you are doing! Has ever occur to you that many of the residents are retire people who have nothing but their homes and a very POOR pension to live with??? Shame on you mate!!!! you should be a litlle more sympathetic and cooperative with poor people that are being taken advantage of their situation and this bullies are rip them off.

Leah Cain posts

Casula Resident for your information we planted trees 30 years ago but they do not make any difference to blocking sound. We still have one level higher to go above the heads of these depts who ignore us - the Governor General - and we all know how powerful the person in this position is as proved many years ago with the sacking of Gough Whitlam. This could prove embarrassing to Dept of Planning, Finance, ARTC etc who will be hanging their heads in shame - but then again they have no shame.

sireen posts

I agree with you too Leah- the Governor General is an option. This serious issue has been ignored for too long.

DaraB posts

How about you disclose who you are so that we can go back to the MPs and state provide free trees ""insted of free accomidation" to this person in his backyard. Please go in your backyard and plant your trees "insted" of wasting your precious time we are not going to entertain you any longer. Have a good night enjoy your free accomidation.

JudiS posts

Leah's right, we also planted trees in our backyard 30 years ago, but because our yards are so narrow they don't help deaden the noise when one of those huge diesel trains screeches and shudders and bangs to a stop at the signal box near our house. Then we get a repeat performance a few minutes later when it starts moving forward again. How are closing the blinds going to block that out???

JudiS posts

CasulaResident, you are entitled to your opinion. However, if you truly are a resident here, are you going to refuse to have noise barriers placed behind your house when the time comes, I THINK NOT! You will just sit back and take advantage of all your neighbours hard work in achieving this goal. Shame on you for not supporting us!

I am a links estate resident I may not be on the railway line, but I just don't they should be wasting more money on these stupid things, it will mean council rates going up because of repair, graffiti removal, and paying off these concrete wall, I didn't get any person coming my house to a petition, maybe you should make it more personal if you want to suceed go further then local paper!

I am a links estate resident I may not be on the railway line, but I just don't they should be wasting more money on these stupid things, it will mean council rates going up because of repair, graffiti removal, and paying off these concrete wall, I didn't get any person coming my house to a petition, maybe you should make it more personal if you want to suceed go further then local paper!

I am a links estate resident I may not be on the railway line, but I just don't they should be wasting more money on these stupid things, it will mean council rates going up because of repair, graffiti removal, and paying off these concrete wall, I didn't get any person coming my house to a petition, maybe you should make it more personal if you want to suceed go further then local paper!

I am a links estate resident I may not be on the railway line, but I just don't they should be wasting more money on these stupid things, it will mean council rates going up because of repair, graffiti removal, and paying off these concrete wall, I didn't get any person coming my house to a petition, maybe you should make it more personal if you want to suceed go further then local paper!

sireen posts

Casula resident if you dont live on the line then you dont know the noise levels these people have to live with. Your view is limited to your experience! In relation to money being spent to fix the noise barriers etc, we are all hard working tax payers who deserve to have some of our hard earned money used to protect us against sleep deprevision, illness and stress. Noise barriers are not a waste money, they are an investment given that the government made $609 million from the freight line

sireen posts

in FY08. The new line will create massive profit, the logical thing to do is build noise barriers to protect the residents who have homes that back on to the line. I will remind you that these are hard working tax paying residents who contribute to society and care about the state of the area in 2,3,10,20 years. Waste of money? I think not- luckily we have now gained the support of the masses..Get Real!

DaraB posts

Sireen you are so right there. I love trees more-so probably than most in this area because I am always calling council trying to get protection orders on trees in the area which residents want chopped down. And I have helped plant trees along an entire streets. But in saying that I am not going to pretend I know whats best for residents. Majority rules. We know our backyards better than anyone.Actually there is a govt study out there that I came across recently that trees do not stifle noise.

In response to "Casula Resident". Closing a blind does not lessen sound or stop windows vibrating in resonance with a locomotive's diesel engines. You do not want the TV on when you are trying to sleep or get back to sleep in the early hours of the morning - you want peace and quiet. Councils do not pay for graffiti removal or noise wall maintenance in rail corridors as it is not their responsibility - it is a RailCorp or ARTC responsibility.

As for train station renovations - I think you will find that it was a mandatory part of the approval conditions for the SSFL that ARTC "renovate" stations such as Warwick Farm. They are not being generous, they are simply providing passenger access to platforms that would otherwise have become isolated by their new line had they done nothing else. I think vegetation, including trees, in front of noise walls is a neat solution for both sound mitigation and visual ammenity.

DaraB posts

It seems that all the Politicians are tabling this issue yet nothing is being discussed/debated. This issue has been tabled since 2006. When is it going to be discussed??? So what another ploy to say we are doing all we can? So look we have mentioned it in Parliament so go away. Well we are not until the matter is discussed/debated in Parliament. I want to hear discourse.

DaraB posts

I am going to table that its going to rain this afternoon. Tabling. We are not going to go away until this issue has received the attention it deserves. Until we hear from Keneally, Albanese ARTC exactly why noise barriers are such a big issue in 2009 and arent factored into the equation. This is your social obligation as MPs to improve or maintain ones quality of life not to diminish it or why have we a government. No-one accounted for night time noise in this whole equation or increased traffi

DaraB posts

That is always kept a secret by the ARTC until Mr Albanese sent a press release stating the residents fears and proving that noise will increase. Why are we met with blank stares. It seems that our government knows the answer but is hiding it from the community. Where not going away.

DaraB posts

Apologise for the spelling. Just dismayed and shaking my head at the patheticness of this entire ordeal.

Watch Sixty Thousand Barrels, and get idea's from that.

Maybe a couple of house's can get a new fence's through ARTC not a barrier wall but a larger sized fence, I've seen some of them and oh god no wonder why your complaining and saying you can't go out side etc, cause your fence is all over the Rail Corridor, it's too unsafe to go out side.

sireen posts

Casula resident stop being so ridiculous, clearly you have not got any idea of the situation and you are not a resident, if fences are falling it’s from FREIGHT TRAINS and the VIBRATIONS they cause, ultimately the fences are not the issue in question.People can’t go outside because it’s VERY VERY loud, most house fences are not falling into the rail line. I question your identity,if you are a resident do some thing constructive with your time. At the end of the day we are getting noise barriers.

sireen posts

The ARTC are legally obligated to place along the liverpool/ Casula corridor!

"If fences are falling it’s from FREIGHT TRAINS and the VIBRATIONS" Have you not seen them? It's not from that. I am a resident, If you get a chance watch sixty thousand barrels, great doco, about the residents of Mascot fighting a Multi Million $$$ Company about toxic waste, great for all of you, very inspriational.

DaraB posts

Casula resident why are you so interested in this topic and I loved your scope in the Leader. Yes you did write something in the leader. Yes we have friends that can easily tell us who you are if need be. So I suggest you quit it. Michelle

I can be interested in the issues of my local community, and I can have my own opinion on this issue, I haven written anything into the leader, I'd love to know what the person wrote, was it in this week's Leader, I will never quit.

DaraB posts

Yes you wrote ages ago in the Liverpool Leader. Go for your life write whatever. You will quit because we have got the police involved now and they Know of you. Quit the bullying or you will have them on your doorstep. Your not interested in this area. Your just a trouble maker.

Oh on the internet, yes I did write on that, they know of me ok.. I have a different opinion to all of you ok arrest me, I am very interested in my area, I wouldn't say thay I was bullying, I havent done anything but just write on this message board and ages ago write on the Liverpool Leader website regarding one of the articles, again I have rights for my own opinion and sorry that you don't like what I am saying.

DaraB posts

No you have a right to your opinion and I value it but come on writing that stuff above what good are you serving anyone. Plus some-one has been sending anonymous letters to residents about trees. Your the tree person. As I have said before I go around saving trees in this area but when residents receive anonymous crap with regards to this issue in letterboxes. That is not on

Yes I am the tree person, but no I haven't been sending anonymous letter around about tree's.

Yes I am the tree person, but no I haven't been sending anonymous letter around about tree's.

Yes I am the tree person, but no I haven't been sending anonymous letter around about tree's.

DaraB posts

Ok lets presume you and I do not live on the line. Glen above and Leah have clearly stated why trees do not work. And it makes sense. You cant fault their argument. There are now govt studies stating trees do not work. The last comment you wrote about fences was purely mean. In your heart your not a mean person

Ok Yes, I believe they make a small difference then, I am surrounded by tree's it seem's too work, it does block out some sounds. Have you seen the state of some of those fence's though, they have seen better days, ok these people may be renting or owner's, but if I had a fence on the railway line I would the railways to fix it, and they coud be going through the same issue that you all are through the ARTC. I don't want to be the mean person, but I can't not notice all of these things.

Correction -I don't want to be the mean person, but I can't help not notice all of these things.

DaraB posts

Yes I agree there are some neighbours like my own that are crappy but at the same time there are nice people like the above on this website. Do you really want them to go away. Yes I would love the others to go away but these little fighters are the heart of Liverpool. I dont want them to go away because thats what makes Liverpool bearable or this would be a hellhole and you and I would both go away

I do believe that your all nice, i support you all the little people of Liverpool / Casula fighting against the big boys, I just feel it won't work.. sorry, what I said a few comments back, I know your fighting and you probably all work but these little message boards arnt going to get you far, yes it has been read over 1000 times, but what does this message board consist ofa total of 10 people talking about it, this issue has to be made nationally, ok it's been on the news when Mr Rudd came to

I do believe that your all nice, i support you all the little people of Liverpool / Casula fighting against the big boys, I just feel it won't work.. sorry, what I said a few comments back, I know your fighting and you probably all work but these little message boards arnt going to get you far, yes it has been read over 1000 times, but what does this message board consist ofa total of 10 people talking about it, this issue has to be made nationally, ok it's been on the news when Mr Rudd came to

DaraB posts

Yes Mr Rudd came in these peoples backyards and our council thought we are barbarians and didnt allow us to protest. Casula resident if you wanted to line the entire highway with a blockade of trees I would be the first to support you because I am affected by yes the overbridge and the damn highway. Lets band together and make this place a better place. The Links estate is beautiful. We all know it but we have been neglected because people like the above only now speak up

DaraB posts

We are fortunate that they spoke up now because its time to wake up and collect our tax paying dollars. Honestly the acoustic person was laughing because M5 Liverpool is the only bridge along the entire network with no noise barriers do you think our councillors MPs are working for us. No they are enjoying photography with Rudd and nice dinners.

DaraB posts

My closest friend in Byron bay is enjoying ocean views on tax paying dollars and here I am in Liverpool fighting for noise barriers does that make sense to anyone. Where is the humanity and the common sense in all this!!! Support my friend but dont support the tax paying citizens that are paying mortgages. This is absurd!!!! I will be the next person moving to Byron and you can all support me. Who cares I am enjoying the ocean views

sireen posts

Casula resident, you can talk about trees as much as you want but the reality is this area is getting noise barriers, we are legally obligated to get them and it is best method of noise mitigation, experts know that, this is why the noise walls are erected in other areas along the freight line. I will add you are entitled to an opinion but, stop you’re bullying and anonymous letters. You don’t live on the line so really you don’t know the implication and levels of noise.

sireen posts

One last comment Casula resident, Michelle. Interestingly I know were you live its fare from the line, how dare you comment about tress helping with noise, you don’t get the same loud noise levels as the people who live on the line. Finally, in relation to fences, perhaps you are right some are falling down, ultimately this is not the issue! Fences are falling in other parts of the state too, especially along rail lines- these are small issues that can be fixed, again not the issue in question.

I'm not talking about tree's anymore - and you are not getting any anonymous from moi, I don't think you should be saying that you know where I live and all that other jazz, I don't feel that I am bulling you all, i agree with you all but what I have been saying you need to work harder and harder to suceed, more petitons more state wide stories..

DaraB posts

There are two people sending anonymous letters maybe now even off your back. Thats why yes the residents are angry because it is so unbelievably cowardly. The person doesnt want to put there names to it. Thats a coward and no-one in there right mind can respect that. Everyone has a right to an opinion but if one isnt able to back there opinions with a name then they are just being cowardly and the opinion really doesnt count in the end. I am not implying that it is you but whoever it is. If your

DaraB posts

not able to stand by your convictions and say this is what I believe and put your name to it. Your a coward. Quit sending the anonymous crap. Honestly council/supporters of Alp, ARTC whoever people talk and people end up placing two and two together. People do slip and when they slip the community picks it up straight away. Quit the bullying whoever is doing it or put your name to it so we can be humans and discuss.

DaraB posts

Apologise for the mistakes... gets a little unnerving on this site.

sireen posts

That is cowardly indeed- if some one was serious about their cause they wouldnt be scared to give their name. Bascially the area wants noise barriers and the ARTC are legally obligated to give them to us!That is cowardly indeed- if some one was serious about their cause they wouldn’t be scared to give their name. Basically at the end of the day, its been proven that the area not only wants noise barriers but is in serious NEED of noise mitigation, noise barriers, and ultimately the ARTC are legally obligated to give them to us!

sireen posts

Sorry i just realised my comment was duplicated above, but im sure you get the message. It clear as DAY!

steves posts

I hate our council/politicians etc. I had a peacefull house a comfortable distance from the rail line in the area of casula nearest to glenfield. Since the track work has started they have cut down huge amounts of trees that were acting as a noise barrier of sorts. We are now woken all night with train noise. They are not even freight trains that are waking us. They are building the flyover near us. The noise is going to be unbearable. We will never sell our property. How can they do this to us

DaraB posts

I find it interesting that you have just joined now... So obviously you found out about this whole fiasco even later than we did...We found out when everything got signed off hence we had no say... you find out during construction. You guys didnt receive anything telling you there will be a flyover???

steves posts

you have no idea how angry we are. We are willing to hire a concrete saw and go cut the pillars down that hold the flyover. this is life ruining to us. I am in tears writing this. We dont know where to turn as our council is not behind us as much as we need. Imaginge if this was to be built through Mosman!!!!!!!! I bet it would be considered wrong then. I work 6 days a week minimum to support my family and pay taxes. F U government. Its my tax money......put it where i need it!!!!

DaraB posts

Trust me I know the feeling I have wanted to blow up the M5 many a times. Its the only stretch of road along the entire network without noise barriers. Yes your right it doesnt happen in Mosman. I was told just one person complained in Ryde about the noise off the Roads and immediately they placed another level of barriers. Yet here we have to fight tooth and nail for our rights. Mc Donaldtown got noise barriers for the Rail and they live so so far away from it. This govt sucks but come join us

Trust me I know the feeling I have wanted to blow up the M5 many a times. Its the only stretch of road along the entire network without noise barriers. Yes your right it doesnt happen in Mosman. I was told just one person complained in Ryde about the noise off the Roads and immediately they placed another level of barriers. Yet here we have to fight tooth and nail for our rights. Mc Donaldtown got noise barriers for the Rail and they live so so far away from it. This govt sucks but come join us

steves posts

Dara and Sireen. I have had a call from Andrew Mcdonald this morning and he has given me your names as a good contact point. He said you 2 have had the loudest voices so far. How can i get in contact with you. Just want to catch up so we are on the same page, and to see where things should go from here.

DaraB posts

Ha ha ha:) Loudest... Yes soon my voice will be to 95db.But that is acceptable to this government if you havent heard. I heard that you gave your details to Anne of the Champion I will be speaking to her tommorrow and grab your details. If you could in the meantime Rally some more troops around you.Yes I am up at 1.00am writing to yet another Alan Jones to help our plight. Holes ARTC holes!We kept records we just have to find out which inquiry you fall under.Hoxton Park are doing ICAC

DaraB posts

Well the Fed ombudsman is a start... But I am sure Alan Jones and Jason Morrison will lead us in the right direction.


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